11 December 2007
Why the Inspiron is a King

I step away from the system, hands nearly numb, being reminded again since 4 years why PCs will always out perform the latest consoles such as the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3. As I finish a two hour session of Battlefield 2 with my old buddies from TCU, I can't help but to be amazed at the new found graphics tonight I have not seen before because my previous systems could not handle HDTV and full graphics.

Battlefield2, 1920x1200x32, Ultra-High Hack, ~89 FPS

Battlefield2, 1920x1200x32, Ultra-High Hack, ~89 FPS

Stepping back, a bit dumb-founded, I question my sanity in the PC I just built tonight. I justify it quickly when I consider the tiny investment it took to bring this desktop to be the game-crushing machine it is now.  Only this time it is not my 4.2 Ghz 1200mhz FSB desktop - it's my $900 Dell Inspiron E1705 work laptop that I spent $240 upgrading.

I have been a long-time advocate for Dell machines back from my IT Administrator days in Atlanta at CASE Masters and iDealmusic.  Dell laptops in particular have had an interesting reign.  Back in 1998, PC Magazine started to issue the "Drop Test" against the leading laptops.  Being dropped from six feet, all laptops failed to boot up except one - the Dell Latitude series which was a business-class unit.  It was my first laptop I bought, and still have it.  I was using it all the way up to 2005, lastly for automotive tuning.

Dell Inspiron E1705/9400 Exploded View
Dell Inspiron E1705/9400 Exploded View (source: support.dell.com)

This story starts with the Dell Inspiron E1705 or also known as the 9400.  Dell has done something great here, a laptop that is user-serviceable and user-upgradable.  Yes it is a discontinued laptop, but if I only have know when I had it back at Telligent there would have been some serious modding going on.  Tonight, I ventured into wild with a few components and upgrades not normally available.  Each one has its own story to tell.

E1705, 4 GB SDRAM, nVidia FX2500 7900GTX 512MB, Arctic Silver 5
E1705, 4 GB SDRAM, nVidia FX2500 7900GTX 512MB, Arctic Silver 5

4 GB SDRAM PC2-5400 667mhz

The first thing many will cry fowl on here is, "The Inspiron E1705/9400 does not support 4GB of ram."  This is untrue.  While yes the bios only sees 3.25 GB available, so does the M17xx XPS systems and many desktop motherboards.  There are lots of theories to this, but the truth is that your peripherals reserve that memory space and Windows allows them to over 3 GB - even if they never will use it.  Basically, they are powered but never used.  Using PAE causes some mobo/bios combinations to free up that address block to 4 GB, allowing for up 4.5 GB to be used.  But the sad fact is there isn't much you can do right now when it's restricted at the hardware level. 

Me?  I figured it was a good $61 investment for my next laptop to have 4 GB as well.  :)

nVidia Quatro FX2500m 512MB, 7900GTX GPU, PCI-E CAD and Gaming Card

Another thing many will deny is the ability to stick an XPS or M90 "high-end" design cad and/or gaming card into the 'low-end" Inspiron business-class line.  As you can see below, this is not the case either and the installation is pretty straight forward.  The M90 designer-cad graphics card is the nVidia FX2500m Quatro, which is a modified version of the 7900 GTX 512 MB (from my research). 

The forum gurus are spending $350 to $500 on this particular card.  I snagged mine from eBay for $160.  The theory here was if it truly performs as well as the desktop version, then I can finally, after 4 years of planning, downgrade my PC to our Vista MCE machine in the main room and move to the laptop full-time (mobile again!).  That is precisely what the PC was built for, less the water-cooling rig which actually is built to handle the heat demands for the next 5 to 7 years of CPUs.  So bring 'em on!

Dell 150w PA15 Power Adapter

Most Dells these days come with an 90w.  While this one sufficed for the first few hours of gaming, I did notice the unit getting much hotter than normal.  Others amongst the net have mentioned that a 130w or 150w is needed because the 90w will burn out with these upgrades.  So I ordered an original Dell PA15 new in box from eBay for $20.  I needed a 2nd adapter anyhow.  But be warned - they don't call these things a "brick" for no reason.  This thing is literally the size of a brick!

Overclocking

I do not think I will be overclocking, but yes it is true.  People are dramatically overclocking their Dell laptops.  At this time the E1705's CPU, bus, and memory can not be overclocked (except the memory timings).  But the GPU (graphics processor unit) can be if it is the nVidia series, and quite extensively too!

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Paste

I only mention this because the other gurus on the forums have been putting this into their systems for the CPU upgrades.  I have used AS5 for many years now, and I swear by it.  My 4.2 Ghz desktop machine idles @ 28C and peaks at 37C with both cores maxed.  That is just amazing (plus the water cooling).

So in this venture I decided to break out the old tube from the freezer and slap a dab on the CPU.  The result was more than I expected with only 15 minutes of work, and well worth it.  So let us begin the photo slide show with commen[dy]tary.

I was browsing one day and wanted a temperature reader for my laptop as I was noticing the fans kicking on high and the keyboard running quite hot at times.  I stumbled upon Notebook Forums and was amazed at the level of upgrades people have done to their laptops from all brands.  It seems the manufacturers have finally gave up and allowed end-users the ability to upgrade their machines.  You can read up on your brand there.

As for the Dell E1705, there's numerous threads:

This post is not meant to be a complete guide to installing the hardware.  Instead it is more of a visual verification cue of some modifications (read cutting) that you must do.  Check out Dell's support page and view/download the service manual as it has very detailed, step-by-step instructions to opening and servicing your laptop.

So let us break this thing open.

Hinge Cover Removed
Hinge Cover Removed

First thing the service manual says is to remove the hinge cover as shown above.  It was a bit nerve racking to pry that hard on a piece of plastic, and having it pop - sounding like I was breaking each and every tab.  Being the first step in the entire process, I did have a reservation.  But pushed on, prying harder, knowing it would come off cause the manual said so. 

This is the most difficulty step.  Get past the cracking, creaking, and popping sounds and you are home free.

Tip: If you do not have a plastic scribe, you can use a small/tiny flat-head screwdriver but do not pry up as the manual says because this will scratch the white plastic.  Instead, use a twisting motion to pop the panel up and loose at the location of the red arrow.  Then slowly work your way around the corner, twisting and popping the rest loose.  Once you can get your finger under it, pull up and don't be scared.

Keyboard Removed, ATI visible
Keyboard Removed, ATI visible

Next comes the keyboard.  Nothing special here.  I just wanted to show you the first glimpse of the ATI X1400 video card to be removed.

Dell 1500 802.11n WiFi card and Antenna Leads
Dell 1500 802.11n WiFi card and Antenna Leads

Skipping ahead, along the way of removing the LCD panel it says to disconnect the wireless antenna of your wireless card.  Here you can see the antenna leads connected to the Dell 1500 802.11n card via the red arrows.  There is some questions on the web to even having to do this step if you do not have a wifi card.  The answer is yes, they are just connected to dummy terminals.

And yes, if you put things back together and have no signal on your wifi card - you forgot to connect these!

LCD Panel Removed
LCD Panel Removed

With the LCD removed, you've passed the point of no return (or now you are fully committed rather). 

Magnetized Screwdriver Helps
Magnetized Screwdriver Helps

This shows a little trick I have been using since I was a younglin'.  I have a special set of tools that are magnetized, allowing me to remove (as shown) and install screws in very difficult places.  Tools like this screwdriver pulls the screw right out, not having to flip over the system and let them drop and bounce.

It is very easy to magnetize your existing screwdrivers.  Mr. Wizard showed me how when I was just a kid, and I have been doing it every since.  Simply take a strong magnet and place it on the tip.  Now slide it down the shaft, away from the tip in only one direction - do not twist the magnet around the shaft.  This polarizes the shaft with the electrons that were resting at one end now oppositely charged at the other end of the shaft (because you moved the magnet).  You can also de-magnetize by reversing precisely what you just did (place the magnet at the far end, and slide it towards the tip).  This does not always work because you need to be using the same pole (North or South) of the magnet that when you started.  Using the opposite pole will not have much effect. 

Do not worry.  Just slide the magnet down the shaft and be done.  And do not magnetize all of your tools.  Just two or three select screwdrivers, and keep them away from your other tools so they do not magnetize others.  Note that I highly recommend the use of rare-Earth magnets as they are extremely strong.

And before you ask, yes I removed the HDD before using tools that were magnetized.

Above: nVidia Quatro FX2500m, Below: ATI X1400
Above: nVidia Quatro FX2500m, Below: ATI X1400

Here is the view of the ATI X1400 still in the system and the new nVidia FX2500m for comparison.  Notice there is no heat pipe on the left side of the ATI card, only the right side. 

Above: ATI X1400, Below: nVidia FX2500m
Above: ATI X1400, Below: nVidia FX2500m

Here you can see both cards and really see what others are calling "dual heat pipes" on the nVidia 7900 GTX (below).

Modifying the case to fit the FX2500m
Modifying the case to fit the FX2500m

Now for the point of no return.  To get the nVidia FX2500m to fit, you will need to modify the left-rear area of the laptop case behind the CPU's heatsink.  This is because the left heatsink for the FX2500m is too wide to fit into this area.  So you have to grind down or break off the two plastic sides/tabs.  You can see in this photo above that I am grabbing one of the tabs to break off with a pair of needle-nose pliers.

Another option that would keep your full warranty would be to modify the FX2500m's heatsink by grinding down the two ends.  I believe this would fit well with slight bending on the copper pipe to raise the heatsink about 1/8".  This does not block air-flow for the cpu's heatsink, and still is vented to the rear outlet.  Alas I do not have a grinder here, or I would have done it myself.

Do not worry about warranty here.  If you are going this far, then you have the ability to service the laptop yourself if a component fails during your warranty period.  Dell's "low cost" warranty is parts-only, and there ya go.  Dell will send you the parts to replace, which you can service it yourself - under warranty.  Just I would not take the chance of sending the entire laptop in for repair as they may catch the broken tabs.

Right Tab Modified
Right Tab Modified

Left Tab Modified
Left Tab Modified

You can see above it does not take very much.  Test fit the FX2500m a few times though to make sure you removed enough.

CPU & Northbridge Heatpipe/Heatsink Removed
CPU & Northbridge Heatpipe/Heatsink Removed

While I had my system apart, I made plans to upgrade the CPU's cooling a little with a touch of Arctic Silver 5 as I noted above.  You can see in this photo above the crap that Dell (and most PC makers) use on their CPUs.  Mine had actually turned into a brittle paste.

Cleaned CPU and Northbridge
Cleaned CPU and Northbridge
(CLICK FOR JPEG COMPRESSED 1.43 MB FULL-RES PICTURE FOR DETAIL/CLOSE-UP)

Before you can apply AS5, you must thoroughly clean both surfaces (the CPU and heatsink).  My best experiences has always been to use rubbing alcohol with some lint-free clothes or even kitchen paper towels.  AS5 works smaller than you can see, filling the microscopic gaps and imperfections of the two pieces.  Above you can see how the CPU's surface is now mirror-like, reflecting the white water-bottle cap. 

The copper heatpipe was another story though.  It was extremely rough and the paste was near-impossible to remove.  Sorry I forgot to snap a photo of my work, because of the time involved I was just in a hurry to get it polished down.  But I ended up using 400grit sandpaper, than 1000grit, and 2000grit to get a near-polished surface.  You do not have to do any of this to your heatpipe though.  Just get it cleaned off.

I went this route of applying AS5 and polishing my heatpipe because I did not like my CPU's temps under normal conditions just idling and/or working.  I wanted to cool down the 62C idle of my CPU!  I am proud to say that using AS5 did the trick.  My idle temps are down to 37C with ambient about 74F.  For comparison, my 4.2 Ghz desktop noted above idles at 28C but that's not fair given the custom cooling I did with it.  But, it's close!

CPU heatpipe and new (used) FX2500m all installed
CPU heatpipe and new (used) FX2500m all installed

Here is a shot of everything re-installed and tightened down.  Note in comparison to a photo above of the ATI X1400 in the system.

Air gaps from Dell's stock setup of heatsinks
Air gaps from Dell's stock setup of heatsinks
(CLICK FOR JPEG COMPRESSED 1.32 MB FULL-RES PICTURE FOR DETAIL/CLOSE-UP)

Now this was something I was not happy about.  There is a large gap from the left fan (fan 1) to the CPU's heatsink from before.  Then there was now a gap between the CPU and GPU's heatsinks.  You can see in the picture above the screwdriver that is clearly visible (click the image for the full-res version).

In my history of custom cooling back in the 80s and 90s, there is one thing I learned that always remains constant: airflow is key.  So my task would be to modify the airflow to force all air through the heatsinks by not allowing any to escape the airflow path through any gaps.

Aluminum Foil Shrouds
Aluminum Foil Shrouds

I accomplished this by using a few pieces of kitchen aluminum foil, scotch-tape, and additional AS5.  There are multiple reasons for this.  First for safety I evaluated the entire area and found no electrical components or circuit boards anywhere near this area.  You do not want a piece coming loose and short-circuiting things! 

Second is having aluminum foil allows the heat to transfer from one copper pipe to the other (just a tad though, too thin really to do a massive amount).  That may not have been the best idea at first because CPUs usually run cooler than GPUs from my overclocking experience.  But considering how freakin' high my CPU temps were before I even began, I could only see this as helping to offload some heat to the GPU's heatpipe - even if just a tad amount, anything had to help.

I also closed down the air escaping on the left side of fan's outlet to the CPU's heatsink, as well as the gaps between the two heatsinks.  Now all air is forced by the fan trough the CPU heatsink, and then through the GPU's heatsink where it than only has room to exit the back vent.

CPU idle at 36C using Arctic Silver 5, down from 62C when OEM 
CPU idle at 36C using Arctic Silver 5, down from 62C when OEM

It is very well worth it, even if I did not upgrade the GPU, because now my CPU temps are a steady 37C with fans set to low.  With no fans, it creeps up to 47C.  Compare that to the 62C idle before with fans on high, and I think I came out ahead. 

CPU cores pegged reaches 72C after 30 minutes of stress-testing, down from much much higher 
CPU cores pegged reaches 72C after 30 minutes of stress-testing, down from much much higher

And for you guys into max CPU heat testing, using an instance of Prime95 on each core yields a max temp of 72C with 74F ambient after about 30 minutes.  Much better than before!  I will admit I did not pay a lot of attention to the max temp before the AS5 was applied.  Let us just say I did not stress it for very long once it climbed to 85C.

While gaming the GPU hovered around 63 to 65C tonight after about two hours, and peaked at 70C just for an instant. I would have applied AS5 to the GPU's heatsink but I did not have a torx-bit small enough (it was missing from my collection) and I wanted to get my laptop running again after spending that time sanding down the CPU's heatpipe.

In conclusion, I feel this was very much worth the effort.  A few hours of research over a few days time, finding a great deal on the video card, and planning/preparation before hand, and it all took about 3 hours from start to end (including the sanding of the CPU's heatpipe). 

Not a bad system for under $1,200 with BF2 averaging in Fraps at 85 FPS and BF2142 around 78 FPS steady.  Why someone would pay for an XPS system is beyond me.  Just get an Inspiron for a good price, hunt around after a few months find a deal on the upgrade parts. 

Now, if I can get my hands on one of those newer 1720/1730s with dual HDD bays...

Reader's Comments
LBrooks said:

You are on crack man LOL!!

# 11 December 07 8:25 PM
RMolinari said:

got a question, i have the same exact laptop, can it actually play games well and fast such as rome total war and city of heroes without crapping up and becomming choppy, or have graphical errors

# 03 January 08 12:34 AM
rmolinari said:

also lol but if u decide to contact me would u send a message to [edited] lol (dont mind the name)

# 03 January 08 12:38 AM

Email sent Amy's Boi (and I edited the email out from the comment, to keep spammers from obtaining it).

# 03 January 08 11:09 AM
Brad Maust said:

Hi,

I just got the E1705 for Christmas. It only had 1GB of RAM, so I ordered another 1GB to max it out. I was searching Google for a hint as to what tools I'd need when I stumbled onto your site. Cool!

I haven't been so much into the H/W side of things for the past 10 years or so as I got more into software and the business side of things.

As an application developer/DBA, I could use a notebook with 4GB. That was the real downer for me. I did get it NIB for $875 from a guy in San Jose.

Are there two banks with two slots? I don't understand what you are saying regarding 2GB & 4GB. Does the 9400/E1705 mobo support it, but it isn't implemented, or can you just mod the BIOS to recognize 4 x 1GB SDRAM DIMMs?

A bit confused,

Thanx

---

Brad Maust,

former Atlantan,

Infrastructure Architect,

Silicon Valley / San Francisco Bay Area

# 04 January 08 10:13 PM

Hey Brad:

I'm a former Atlantan myself.  :)

There are two SDRAM memory slots in the E1705.  So to achieve 4GB of ram, you will need two 2GB SDRAM sticks (for laptops).

The issue with a lot of bios' out there (desktops, laptops, and even the XPS-line of previous laptops) is that they do not allow full access to all 4096 MB of ram - if you were to stick in 4GB of ram.  The E1705 is one of them, and limits you to utilizing only 3.2 GB of ram available to the OS.

No, there is no bios hack either as even the XPS that supported 4GB of ram, did the same thing.

I myself am a DBA/Coder by trade, and need every bit of ram I can muster.  So $80 was a good investment for two 2GB memory sticks for me, so I can get 3.2 GB for now.  Hopefully my next laptop will support 4 GB of ram, and I can just transfer the memory over.  

Hope that helps!

-Eric

# 04 January 08 11:28 PM
Ervin said:

Nice work Eric, I just did the same exact thing today.  I bought the 150w power supply, the thermal paste, and the quadro 2500m.  I installed everything just fine but when I booted up some problems arose.  After a few minutes, lines or artifacts appeared on the screen.  Nothing was overheating and everything seemed fine except for the artifacts, or lines on the screen. Later on I was just browsing and my computer froze on me. I restarted and tried playing Quake III, a not hardware demanding game. Less than 10 mins into the game lots of artifacts appeared and within the minute the entire image was scrambled up and nothing was recognizable and it froze again.   After all this it froze on me again when i was looking at my desktop and so i restarted and all there was was a black screen. I finally took the quadro out and put in my old video card and everything worked fine.  I was using windows vista ultimate with all this.  What do you think could be the cause of this? Is it possible that I was sent a bad video card??  Do you know if the quadro 2500m has any issues with Windows Vista?  Which OS did you have the 2500m on?  Thank You very much, Ervin

# 10 January 08 2:54 AM

@Ervin : I do not believe it is the video card, as I had the EXACT same thing happen to me!

It's directly the video card drivers for the 7900.  And believe me when I say the drivers are much harder to find then you think.  

Do not go to www.nvidia.com and download the latest for the 2500m.  They do not work (I never thought I'd see the day where nvidia.com's drivers did NOT work!).

Do not install the latest driver from Windows Vista Updates.

What you want to do is download a special "hacked" set.  It's basically the highend drivers from nvidia "desktop only" series of cards (laptops have lower-end versions).  But with a slight tweak to the INI files to allow you to install it for your 2500m Quatra mobile edition.  That's it.

www.laptopvideo2go.com <- You want to bookmark this site for future nVidia-powered laptops.

These are the ones I specifically have installed for Vista 32bit (64bit as well).  But they have released newer versions as well.

http://www.laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16545

NOTE: I went directly to the forums and researched precisely which driver I needed.  You can try the homepage drivers, but I didn't pick the right one.  Going to the forums I immediately found the ones I needed.

It took me a while to find them.  Uninstalling, installing, uninstalling, cleaning, etc.  Artifacts I had constantly.  Until I found those drivers above.

Now, everything is perfect!

# 10 January 08 9:28 PM

Note that downloading the Drivers alone will not work.  There's a 2nd file to download in that post I linked to, the INI file!

Download the drivers, unpack them.  THen copy the INI file over the drivers.  Then do a Setup install of them all over again (may want to try removing your existing drivers first and rebooting).

# 10 January 08 9:30 PM
ervman1 said:

i tried version 169.04 from laptop2go with the modded inf. currently i am about to ship the card back. do you know if that driver version works??

# 11 January 08 12:56 AM

That is the driver version I am using.

Make sure to run the reg cleaning utility they have, as uninstalling may not remove all files - and the modded INF.

But, it just may be the card as well though.  

# 11 January 08 1:43 PM
ervman1 said:

hi eric, what bios version are you using?  did you have to update to any specific bios? I am having a lot of trouble as the computer is booting up with a lot of pixelation. any help would be appreciated, thank you, Ervin

# 11 January 08 7:32 PM

@ervman1: I am running the A08 bios.  Sorry I could not be of more help.

Hopefully you didn't mess up the LCD cable?

# 11 January 08 8:44 PM
ervman1 said:

thanks for your help eric, unfortunately im still having problems. i formatted my hard drive completely last night and installed xp. i was able to boot into xp fine with my old video card, then i swapped video cards and turned it on, but nothing happened. even the initial bootup screen showing bios information did not pop up. all i get is a blank screen. aah! im getting nowhere, its driving me insane...

# 12 January 08 7:14 PM
ervman1 said:

just thought id let you know i sent the video card back...now the waiting game begins for a new video card :)

# 15 January 08 1:57 AM

Doh!  Good luck!

This is a near year for me, so a new year = new hardware (for tax breaks).  Was thinking of a 1730 with SLI.  But I will wait for the nvidia 8900 series to be released this year.

# 15 January 08 11:09 AM
alfred yu said:

I've just picked up a quadro 2500M for my 9400 on ebay, specced nearly identically to yours and now just waiting for it to arrive. But now that i've read the artifact problem i'm a little bit worried, is it an easy fix to do? also, i've also looked at the dell website and it seems like they have a version of driver for the quadro avaliable, would that work with on the 9400?

# 15 January 08 5:18 PM
ervman1 said:

@ alfred. hey there, i do believe my problem was the hardwares fault.  usually the whole process is a lot more pain free. Eric here has provided us with information as to what drivers have been tested and work.  Do not use the drivers from dell or any like that.  Like Eric said, you have to use the drivers from laptopvideo2go.com.  the driver version that ive come across from other forums has been 169.04 and Eric is using 169.25 which he has found to be working. you just have to make sure to use the modded inf file otherwise the driver wont install.  

# 15 January 08 10:35 PM
Bryant Fusco said:

I just picked up a 2500m off e-bay and went through the installation.  However, no matter what I do the A09 bios I have will only see it as a 7900 with 256mb instead of 512mb.  

Same in windows.  If I allow windows to automatically install drivers, it picks the 7900 drivers, however, if I force install 2500m drivers (reguardless of which ones I use) there are no errors or problems.

I'm wondering if the system is actually taking advantage of the card even though it's not reporting it correctly and if there's a way to get it to do so.

Any thoughts?

# 18 January 08 2:39 PM

@Bryan Fusco: Did you happen to snap a picture of the card's part number, or write it down?

There is a 256MB version of the 7900 called a "GTS" or "GT".  The "GTX" is the only version that is 512 MB.

It's not windows reporting 256mb, it's the driver that talks to the card - and what the card is actually reporting back to the driver, to the OS.

I suspect you got a 7900 GS version.  What's the eBay link?  Perhaps he was selling it thinking it was a GTX (and falsely advertised if so).

# 18 January 08 3:37 PM
ervman1 said:

I have great news!! it was the video cards fault. i just received the replacement card today and so far it has been working flawlessly!!! i have tried cod 4, unreal tournament 3, quake 3, and need for speed pro street and everything seems to be working great. i am running 169.04. thanks for all your help eric. and to anyone else whos going what i went through....it might just be the video card! lol

# 26 January 08 2:39 PM

Excellent to hear!

So the moral to the story for everyone: if it's artifacts you have, make sure you have the laptopvideo2go drivers - cause that fixed what I was experiencing.  

If the correct drivers don't fix it, then it just may be the card.

 

@ervman1: Thanks for the feedback!

# 27 January 08 12:54 PM
Firestarter said:

You said "This story starts with the Dell Inspiron E1705 or also known as the 9300/9400". I got so excited with the prospect of putting a 7900GTX in my 9300/XPS --till i did some more reading. It doesn't look like its at all possible to put that gpu into the 9300/Xps gen2, because the 9400/E1705 uses a different mobo, and the discontinued XPS gen2 never had a 7900 option. The 6800ultra/7800GTX swap works on the 9300, because its the same board as the XPS gen2, which had the 7800 as an option. I would like to be wrong about this, so if anyone has found a way to make this work, please let me know...

# 14 February 08 11:47 AM

@Firestarter: The E1705/9300/9400 never came with the 7800 or 7900 or 7950 either!  That's the purpose of this post, to show that you can swap them in - with a little case modification.

As a matter of fact, the 7800/7900/7950s we (the E1705 guys) are sourcing for our swaps actually come from the 9400 XPS systems!  :)

Another fact that I think would help you is that the 7800GTX is the identicle physicaly card (identicle as in where it mounts, the heatsink pipe locations, etc) as the 7900 and 7950 cards!  

With that said, since you said the 7800 swap is an option - I would bet $20 (your shipping fee to send it back if it doesn't) that the 7900 and 7950s would fit as well.  :)  

They are the same physical card as to where it mounts, and the heat sinks.  I see no reason why it would not.  The mobo's BIOS doesn't care, nor does Windows.

Good luck and let us know!

Ps - I am working on an overhaul of my blog, to make reading/replying to these much either.

# 14 February 08 12:14 PM
blatta said:

hi.

sorry for my bad inglish, i am chilean.

i have the same problem, i cant upgrade the ATI x1400 256 Mb to nVidia FX2500m Quatro.

where buy the nVidia FX2500m Quatro?

please add to msn

yamato_flag_ship@hotmail.com

tank you

# 20 February 08 4:33 PM
McMood said:

Hi Eric,

Thanks loads, I just bought today 4gb of memory and a 250GB HDD to put in my inspiron 9400, I was really baffled over this memory issue and your information has been great.

Now that I can see you can upgrade the graphics card, I am really excited - I don't need to buy a new laptop!!!!

Quick question to clarify:

1. You have put in a fx2500 nvidia card. Am I right in saying I could buy the 7800/7900/7950 and do the same procedure as you have done?

If Yes, which card would you recommend if I was purely gaming or using programs heavy on rendering like after effects etc?

2. You mentioned something about HDD too - is there anyway to like replace the CD/DVD drive for a swappable HDD?

Thanks in advance - you are the man!

# 21 February 08 3:03 PM

@blatta: Could you clarify what problem you are having when upgrading the card?  We need more information.  :)

@McMood:

1) Yes, any of them will work.  And fyi, 7800=fx1500, 7900=fx2500, and the 7950=fx3500.  Make sure to get the "FX2500/FX3500" models.  The 1500 is not worth it.  And make sure it says FX2500 or 3500.  There's a 7900 series card out there that is only 256 MB (see comments from others above, and I have private emails stating as such).  That "7900" series is not an FX2500.  Make sure you search and get the FX2500!

The FX3500 is the premium card, with just a tad higher FPS over the 2500.  I saw the several hundred-dollar difference and said, "The FX2500 is good enough for me!"

Search eBay.  I got mine for $170.  And I've seen them as high as $400 on eBay for the 2500.  :)  

2) Not that I am aware of.  With 16 GB memory sticks available (especially that fit in your built-in SD Card slot), I don't see why you would.

The 1720/1730s is what has the dual-HDD features built-in.  Our 1705s sadly do not have this.

# 21 February 08 4:57 PM
McMood said:

Thanks for the quick response and the information.

Just to clarify there is no difference between a fx2500 quadro and a 7900gtx card? I always thought the M90 dell precision series had the quadro cards as they were geared to industry/research related programs and the 7900gtx series were made for gaming enthusiasts.

Sorry if this question seems dumb!

# 21 February 08 6:43 PM

Actually that is incorrect.  What I was trying to say is the FX2500m Quattro "uses" the 7900GTX chipset, but with 512MB of ram though.  The standard 7900GTX card available only has 256MB of ram, and is not a quatro nor a FX2500.  I was only mentioning "7900=FX2500" to let u know it used the same chipset, and to search/Google/ebay for the "FX2500" or "FX3500", not the term "7900".  

Sorry for the confusion.  And no apology needed, as it seems I wasn't clear enough (I apology).  Shouldn't have said that.

Bottomline, only search for FX2500/FX3500.  Don't search for 7900s for sale.

# 21 February 08 8:36 PM
Frank said:

I just received my fx2500 and followed the steps above to include the AS and my E1705/9400 only shows a black screen. I took every precaution to prevent ESD.  I still have a 90W adapter but that shouldn't matter.  Does anyone think it's the Video Card?

# 08 March 08 5:37 AM

@Frank:

Does the external port work on an external monitor?  If so, it could be the ribbon cable for the LCD not secured.  

Beyond that, there isn't much you can do to test a used fx2500 without installing it into yet another machine.  

If you revert back to your old card and everything works, it just may be the video card.  

And nope, a 90W shouldn't matter for normal use.  Only intense 3D gaming is when u need a larger PSU (and even the 90W can work to a small degree in that, but it does get extremely hot under load).  But for normal booting and browsing/development, the 90w is fine (it's what I am using all of this time.  the 150w is in the bag, for gaming times).

# 08 March 08 12:30 PM
Frank said:

Eric,

Thanks for the reply, by the ribbon cable for the LCD do you mean the one that connects to the card?  If so, I pressed down on it pretty good to insure it was fully seated.  The FX2500's second heat pipe was bent when I received it so I went ahead and returned it and will be getting a new one this Friday.  Hopefully it works. I'm at the point where I could take the laptop apart and put back together in 15 minutes...I found a used 150W on Ebay for $15 so I went ahead and purchasedit for future gaming. If the second card has the same black screen, I would venture to say that maybe it's the mother board???

# 09 March 08 3:31 AM

@Frank:

The ribbon cable I was talking about is the cable from the LCD assembly that looks like a very flimsy piece of thin plastic, that has wires in it, and attaches to the motherboard.  It's listed in the process of the LCD removal in the manual.

Does the old card work?  If so, most likely it was just the one card you got.  Go ahead and get the latest bios, just in case.

# 09 March 08 11:38 AM
Adam said:

I have an e1705 thats about a year old, and I recently upgraded it with the Nvidia GeForce Go 7900 GS card. Do the drivers you linked to above work with this card (on Vista) and also, do you know if it is possible to replace the fans from the e1705 with the fans from the XPS M1710 (with the cool little lights)? I figured this might help. Thanks in advance!

# 14 March 08 9:38 PM

@Adam:

Now that is a cool idea.  The fans with the lights.  I'm pretty swamped at work for the next several weeks, or I'd look into that myself.  :)  I would start by looking at the Dell Service Manual I linked to above, and then compare the detailed pictures with the Service Manual for the XPS system.

As for the drivers, yes the drivers I linked to above are the ones I am using on my Vista install - and should fully support all 7XXX series (amongst all other nvidia cards pretty much up to about 6mo ago).  

# 14 March 08 11:04 PM
Adam said:

Thanks, I take a look and let you know what I find out.

# 15 March 08 1:49 PM
Adam said:

Alright, I looked it up and I dont think its going to work, the sizes look about the same, but to use the sweet LEDs there is a second plug that is not available on the Inspiron board. This is unfortunate, because from what I could see the XPS fan is pretty beefy and could move some serious air. Oh well, I'll try what you did with the Arctic Silver, hopefully that will help keep my running temps down. Thanks for the help!

# 15 March 08 2:00 PM
TheBobman said:

Dude...TAKE THE 9300 reference out of your write up. IT IS PHYSICALLY DIFFERENT. The card does not fit. Also, bios will not recognize more than 2 gig of ram, and the machine will not boot with 4g ram in place. These are things I now know after spending $350.

# 21 March 08 12:20 PM
Frank said:

Eric,  I received the replacement fx2500 and it works perfectly.  The CPU recognized the card & VGA. Do I need to do anythign else to enhance the performance.  I'm in the process of purchasing 4GB SDRAM.

Thanks again for the advice

# 28 March 08 1:08 AM

@TheBobman: I removed the 1 reference to 9300 until it can be proven.  I appologize if someone took the leap of faith with their 9300 from this documentation, as the reports I found stated the 9300 worked as well as the 9400.  But you are incorrect about 4GB not booting in the 9300 - my previous 9300 booted with 4 GB just fine, but only showed 3.2GB, just like the 9400.

@Frank: That's great to hear!  "Enhance performance".  Well, you can overclock the GPU (search the links I supplied above).  Me?  This is my work/primary machine, so I chose stability over overclocking.  

In addition to that, just make sure you have the correct drivers.  And 4GB will help, for how cheap they are these days.  Even if you only get 3.2GB of them every GB helps - and you can use the ram in a newer laptop down the road (most likely).

# 28 March 08 2:03 PM
Frank said:

Eric,

Once I installed the NVIDIA Quadro FX 2500M and turned on my CPU it automatically downloaded the following: driver version 6.14.11.119 dated 28.04.2007 on the latop2go site I downloaded version 169.09.  Which the best driver for 32 bit XP?

# 29 March 08 4:00 AM
Trickster said:

Hi Eric,

My wife's mom just bought an E1720 and it bugged me that she now has a better system than my E1705, so I went poking around for ways to hotrod my laptop. I am totally impressed by what you have done with your machine and plan to do something similar.

What I am wondering is this: if I replace my T2400 processor with a T7200 and install 64 bit XP Pro, will it be able to see all 4gig? Do you foresee any problems with this? Also, if this is a good play, is there any reason you didn't do it?

Thanks Much!

# 29 March 08 1:29 PM

@Frank:  I don't know which is best for XP.  Seems most do not have a problem with XP, it's Vista some have issues with flickering (note the driver version I used above in the comments, it solved my Vista Flickering).

@Trickster: Yep, once I found out how the 1705s were being "hotrodded", not having a 1720 made me feel much better.  Even though the 1730s now have dual GPUs as an option!  Jez.

To answer your question, no.  Changing the cpu, upgrading the bios, 64bit os, nada will enable any operating system to see more then 3.2 GB of ram.  It's the limit of the bios (think PCI being a 32bit bus, and 32bit is limited to 2 GB space).

No system will really have full access to 4GB (or my next machine I am planning - 16 GB), unless there is no PCI 32bit bus.  All PCIe or PCI64bit (i.e. servers).

As to your final question of why I didn't do it... Didn't do what?  I actually did install 4 GB of ram, and utilize the limited 3.2 GB of it in Vista x86 (32bit).  I did use 64bit for a short time, and all drivers were available from Dell.  But some of the software I use for programming and such just had issues on x64.  So I am back to x86 for now.  If, that was your question.  :) 

If you question was asking why I didn't go with a faster CPU, it's because there is no real point for me cause I already have the T7200.  :)  Once you have the Core2 Duo @ 2.0Ghz (no point in paying for anything faster), you have the cream-of-the-crop with 4MB of cache (2MB per core).  Anything less in speed only has 2MB (1MB per core).  Yes, the T7200 is worth the upgrade!  And I made damn sure I had it when I originally ordered my laptop.

# 30 March 08 3:34 PM
Trickster said:

Thanks Eric. My final question was why you didn't upgrade to a T7200/64bit OS assuming that was a way to see more than 3.2gig. But since it doesn't work that question is moot. And thanks for the warning about certain programming apps having issues with x64. I'm a developer and need all my tools to keep working.

# 30 March 08 3:49 PM
McMood said:

Hi Eric,

Wow, this site gets alot of questions. I am sure I am not the only one who appreciates the time and effort you give in tech support to everyone who visits your blog.

I have two questions please:

1. I have the Core Duo T2600 in my 9400. At the time when I got it, it was the best I could get. Then when core duo 2 came out with double the L2 cache I was miffed! Can I purchase the T7200 and replace that in my lappy?

2. I have 4Gb in my lappy and I did the optimise thing with the /3gb option and I got XP 32 bit seeing the 3.25Gigs as well as some of my adobe products which needed that option to recognise more than 2Gb. But, recently when I boot up I get a message something like, "I am low or have run out of registry space and the registry will no longer be updated etc etc.." - I have over 150Gigs free in my 250Gig internal HDD! Any clues?

# 02 April 08 4:07 AM

@McMood:

1) Yep, absolutely.  Don't purchase anything slower or faster than the T7200 as it would be a waste of money.  Slower has less cache; faster is just paying the huge premium for just a few hundred mhz.

2) Has nothing to do with hardware.  Something is corrupted in the registery, could have a virus (never seen Windows say, "I am low..." on ANYTHING).  

I had a policy of formatting every 6mo.  I had a drive C and a drive D.  C hovered around 36 to 50 GB of space for my OS and all software install.  Drive D had all of my project, media, desktop (editing the location of the profile folders), etc.  So I would just wipe drive C from time to time and install the OS/software.

Here's one good news about Vista: Since I moved to Vista in my laptop last year, I haven't formatted again - and don't see a need to.  Vista really is stable.  As long as you don't load down your OS with a bunch of crap.

# 02 April 08 12:00 PM
McMood said:

Thanks alot.

So I just buy a T7200 and take the old one out and the new one just falls into place? :) cOOL!

The message I get in windows only happens when I boot into the /3gb option. When I do not boot into it, I never get that message....do you still think its a virus?

# 03 April 08 4:49 AM

@McMood: Yes, the bios will recognize the difference.  There's nothing u have to do to the OS either.

About the error message, again, I don't think it's anything to do with hardware and is outside of the scope of this discussion (u didn't leave an email address).  But yes, you'd most likely get it with the /3GB switch than without.

Do you actually know what /3GB does?  It's more than "access to 4GB of memory", and actually it's not that at all.  32bit variables in code are limited to 2,147,483,647.  Windows 32bit (x86) uses a 32bit integer to address memory space, therefore the limit being 2 GB (long story short).

Windows has two memory address spaces: One for the applications, and one for the operating system, kernel, and yep - the registry.  By default, this gives you a 4 GB memory cap the entire Windows OS can use, with a max of 2 GB assigned to your Applications space to use and a max of 2 GB for the kernel to use.  This is why you only see 2 GB in Windows with 4GB of ram.  The OS does a 50/50 split on whatever memory you have.  So if you have 2GB installed, you'll only have 1 GB available for applications (actually, this changes with pagefiles under 4 GB, another discussion).

Having 2 GB for the kernel is well more than enough for heavy powerusers.  The kernel includes all I/O addressing, registry, drivers, system tasks, some background tasks, and more.

The /3GB switch does something special.  It changes the 50/50 split of memory to a 25/75 split: the Kernel gets 25%, the Application space gets 75%.  So in a 4GB system, that's 1 GB for the kernel and 3 GB address block for the applications (how it does this, beyond the 32bit limit, is a longer story).

With that said, no I don't think it's a virus at all: You just got too many damn things loaded on your PC.  :)  Or loaded/unloaded.  When you install and uninstall, it doesn't always clean up registry space.

Let me guess, was this an "Upgrade" of XP from a previous version?  Upgrades leave a huge amount of registry crap.

Long story short: Just format and clean out everything.  You can spend days/weeks cleaning your registry with registry cleaners (and hope it doesn't break stuff).  But only 4 hours or so formatting and installing on the applications u use.

Fyi, Vista no longer has this limitation (they got rid of the 50/50 split, double memory allocation spaces).  It's why you can install 4 GB and you are good to go, without a registry limit.

# 03 April 08 11:37 AM
McMood said:

Thanks a whole lot, next time I will send you an email.

Best tech support I have ever had. Cheers.

McMood

# 04 April 08 4:16 AM

Hey Eric, I'm looking at getting the 4GB for my own 9400 lappy, but I'm wondering what kind of performance gains I'll get getting from upgrading from the 2GB stock 533 stuff Dell shipped me? What are your thoughts?  

Another concern I have is I've come accross a post about a guy having serious issues with Linux on this bad boy with 4GB installed, just Hangs Ubuntu (and any live distro he tried) I think he was on Fiesty Fawn(7.04). Have you tried any linux variants on here with the 4GB?(http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=667640)

Bryan.Lahartinger@gmail.com

# 11 April 08 9:58 AM

@Bryan Lahartinger:

If you are a serious poweruser, you might (might like in a hair) notice a difference between 533mhz and 667mhz memory by the snappy response windows seem to appear.  But that is just speed.  

Performance gains from 2 GB to 4 GB (actually only 3.25GB in the 9400) is little to null; because, it would depend upon what you are using the laptop for.  If you exceed 1 GB in application memory (editting a dozen large Photoshop files, perhaps migrating a very large database locally on the laptop, etc), then Windows XP/Vista will start to dig into your "Page File".  The pagefile is when Windows uses your HDD as virtual memory; because, it is out of physical memory (or may be reserving physical memory for something else, long story).

Actually, what I have seen a lot more of lately is games taking up far beyond 1 GB of ram!  I first noticed this with Battlefield 2 at settings of 1600x1200x32 with everything set to high.  On my 2nd monitor, I decided to look at some settings on my PC and noticed that it was using 1.2 GB of ram!  I was shocked.  Battlefield 2142 is even more!

With that said, if you have some highend 3D games then upgrading to 4 GB could "increase performance", because your system won't be using the very slow HDD as virtual memory.

A very quick comparison of memory vs. HDD:

Typical SATAII 500gb HDD = ~45 to 55 MB/s

PC2-6400 DDR-2 memory = ~6.4 GB/s throughput.  <- That's GigaBytes a second, not bits.  Serious increase of 1000x the speed of HDD when moving data.  And we are only talking about the average memory and HDD hardware.  

So yes, it is worth spending the extra money on far-more-memory-than-you-need vs. a larger HDD - from a PowerUser standpoint.  

# 11 April 08 12:57 PM

@Bryan Lahartinger: Something else to note is Vista's built-in ReadyBoost.  I know, there are lots of articles that say this is a joke especially for low-end users.

But for powerusers that need every byte of memory for development (i.e. my migration of 5GB communityserver databases!), once I popped in a fast 8GB flash card, holy cow that sped up my system.  

Google "vista readyboost" to read more.  In very short terms: ReadyBoost allows Vista to use a flashcard for your Page File, instead of your HDD.  While not as fast as pure memory, USB2's throughput is far more than your HDD.  Therefore, increasing the speed of that pagefile use.  

I can testify it really increased the performance of my system.  That is, if you are actually using some big applications.  If not, it's just a waste.

Tip: You a flash card 2.5x the size of your physical ram for "optimum performance" per MS'  algorythms.  So with 4GB in the 9400 (3.25GB visible to the system), get an 8GB memory card.  Oh, and make sure it is rated at least "150x" speed.

# 11 April 08 1:05 PM
sera said:

would it be possible to cram one of the new quadro fx 3600m gpu's into the e1705?

i.e.: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEBTOX:IT&item=150235297325&_trksid=p3984.cTODAY.m238.lVI

# 18 April 08 2:49 AM
sera said:

oh, and w